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No obtaining, no expounding 無得無說分

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No obtaining, no expounding 無得無說


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須菩提云何如來阿耨多羅三藐三菩提如來有所說法?」 須菩提: 「無有法名阿耨多羅三藐三菩提無有如來何以如來說法不可取不可說非法非法所以者何一切賢聖無為法差別。」

Yifa: “Subhuti, what does your mind say? Has the Tathagata attained anuttara-samyak-sambodhi? Has the Tathagata spoken of any Dharma?”

Subhuti replied, “As I understand the meaning of what the Buddha has said, there is no definite dharma called anuttara-samyak-sambodhi, and there is no definite Dharma the Tathagata can speak of. Why is this? Because the Tathagata says that all dharmas cannot be held, cannot be spoken of; are neither the Dharma nor not the Dharma. How is this?”

“All saints and sages are distinguished by the unconditioned dharmas.”

Sanskrit: punaraparaṃ bhagavānāyuṣmantaṃ subhūtimetadavocat- tatkiṃ manyase subhūte, asti sa kaściddharmo yastathāgatenānuttarā samyaksaṃbodhirityabhisaṃbuddhaḥ, kaścidvā dharmastathāgatena deśitaḥ ? evamukte āyuṣmān subhūtirbhagavantametadavocat-yathāhaṃ bhagavan bhagavato bhāṣitasyārthamājānāmi, nāsti sa kaściddharmo yastathāgatena anuttarā samyaksaṃbodhirityabhisaṃbuddhaḥ, nāsti dharmo yastathāgatena deśitaḥ| tatkasya hetoḥ ? yo'sau tathāgatena dharmo'bhisaṃbuddho deśito vā, agrāhyaḥ so'nabhilapyaḥ| na sa dharmo nādharmaḥ| tatkasya hetoḥ ? asaṃskṛtaprabhāvitā hyāryapudgalāḥ||7||

Commentary


Subhūti answers the Buddha's question explaining that there is no fixed idea of Anuttarā Samyaksaṃbodhi. Since it is a dharma it is subject to impermanence and non-self.

Unconditioned dharmas (Sanskrit: asaṃskṛtaprabhāvitā, Chinese 無為法) means things that do not arise from causes and conditions.

Teaching the Dhárma is described in more depth in Section 21.

The English term in the text noble ones translates the Sanskrit āryapudgala (Chinese: 賢聖). This is a compound word created from ārya (noble) and pudgala (person). This group includes Srotāpannas (Sanskrit, Chinese: 須陀洹), also known as Stream-Enterers, Sakridāgāmi (Sanskrit, Chinese: 斯陀含), also known as Once-Returners, Anāgāmi (Sanskrit, Chinese: 斯陀含), also known as Non-Returners, and Arhats (Sanskrit, Chinese: 阿羅漢), fully awakened people [Thich Nhat Hanh, 2010, p 73]. The Sanskrit word prabhāvitā (Chinese: ) in this passage means to have or to possess.

Ananda explains the teaching of the Dharma in a similar way in the Ajivaka Sutta,

'Those who teach a Dhamma for the abandoning of passion, for the abandoning of aversion, for the abandoning of delusion — their Dhamma is well-taught. Those who have practiced for the abandoning of passion, for the abandoning of aversion, for the abandoning of delusion — they have practiced well in this world. Those whose passion... aversion...

"How amazing, sir. How astounding, that there is neither extolling of one's own Dhamma nor deprecation of another's ...
(AN 3.72)1


Notes

  1. "Ajivaka Sutta: To the Fatalists' Student" (AN 3.72), translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu. Access to Insight (Legacy Edition), 30 November 2013, http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an03/an03.072.than.html.

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